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Reviewing old talk pages, it was decided that his personal relationships and such were not part of a bio. I see the story of Kurt Cobain’s death isn’t even in his bio here. I don’t see all the performances listed when Rose et al had guest singers or when he has been a guest singer or invited speaker. I’m not we need this info, but this is about the singer as an entertainer. The personal issues do not belong in his story here. Demsuz (talk) 05:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"This is about the singer as an entertainer. the personal issues do not belong in his story here" You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding on what Wikipedia is and it's scope. And what are you talking about re: Cobain, there's an entire Suicide of Kurt Cobain article and his lead mentions his death too. RF23 (talk) 23:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you look more carefully at Kurt Cobain’s biography. It does not mention how he died and simply calls the note he left a suicide note. No one is discussing his life a tabloid. It’s completely unbiased unlike the way Axl is being dissected here. Demsuz (talk) 06:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I read the excerpts from Mick Wall’s book in his own article on Medium and in no where does he say Slash and Axl were arrested nor is the girl’s name mentioned. Walls mentions there’s a rumor the charges were dropped because Axl slept with the mother. I don’t think anyone buys that or knows why the family didn’t pursue the case. In the end, this is an accusation without any evidence. The band had no money to offer a settlement if anyone if thinking along those lines. 2601:589:4400:477:2D78:3D04:A609:7850 (talk) 02:42, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They were not arrested; they were charged then went on the run to avoid arrest then charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. This is all in the source. RF23 (talk) 23:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The claim was withdrawn. You are using information from tabloid sources.
Instead of warring editing, explain why you think this belongs in his biography.
Mick Walls is sensationalist and even Jimmy Page called his writing “distorted and inaccurate”. It’s mudding the waters to mix a credible source like Slash’s biography with tabloid fodder and it borders on libelous.
Ask yourself why is it so important to give so much detail when there was no criminal record?
Are you enjoying trying to harm these men’s lives by insisting a 39 year old run in with the law be synonymous with their place in music history?
Biography:"A biography, or simply bio, is a detailed description of a person's life.", "an account of someone's life written by someone else.", "a written account of another person's life".
Hagiography:"a biography that idealizes its subject.", "idealizing or idolizing biography an account that smacks of hagiography", "a very admiring book about someone or a description of someone that represents the person as perfect or much better than they really are,"
This article is a biography, an account of Mr. Rose's life, including - as the saying goes - "warts and all". Legal troubles, relationship issues, breakups and makeups with band members and partners, awards, the highs, the lows, the bad and the good...all of it. To leave legal issues out of this article, issues that are reported on by multiple reliable sources would not be encyclopedic, would be against Wikipedia's mission, and would turn this biography into a hagiography.
Also, the eay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is pertinent in this case...the content of individual Wikipedia articles is written and decided upon with editorial consensus on an article by article basis. Just because some type of content might exist or even doesn't exist in another article has little to no bearing on other articles. And this talk page is for discussion of improvements to *this* article. The legal issues should stay. - Shearonink (talk) 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What’s the opposite of a hagiography? In some parts, Axl’s biography is written like a tabloid.
Herein he is assumed to not have a side or get any benefit of the doubt in any of these issues.
Why is an alleged event
-that took place over 39 years ago and 3 years before the band was known to the public-
need a detailed paragraph?
His involvement in throwing a girl out of his studio (at minimum) has no named witnesses yet people were said to be there. A woman, who claimed she was this girl, came forward in 2019 from what I see and at the same time was publicly stating she was destitute on Facebook. That isn’t a judgment. I do question if the man who took her virginity was an adult and if she pursued any other men.
She claims she saw Axl sleeping with another women moments before she was assaulted. Who was that woman? There was no description. Why was a 15 year old allowed to go out at night and choice to be around musicians using drugs and alcohol at night? She was seen before so her parents let her be out at night apparently.
If a lawyer wouldn’t take her case, you have to wonder why. Slash’s book confirmed details and clearly she was humiliated. Is there only evidence there was an assault by speculation?
Kurt Cobain’s biography doesn’t discuss his marital, band issues, legal issues, or lawsuits. Axl’s legal issues, law suits, and accusations should get a separate page. It’s well-documented he was a terribly abused child for a long period. Let’s not abuse him here. Demsuz (talk) 15:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Demsuz - From the various responses here and from your own posts here it seems clear to me that you should probably open a formal WP:Requests for comment on this content and consensus from the editorial community regarding Axl Rose's legal issues staying in or being excised from this WP:BLP article can then be established. - Shearonink (talk) 15:30, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
